Podcast Show Notes, Episode 016

Apr 28, 2021
Man meditating in hazmat suit

On Immunity

Release Date: April 28, 2021

Length: 1:02:39


To vaccinate or not to vaccinate? Immunity is a more complex question than soundbites can handle. Join hosts Donna Woodwell and Chris Kaplan as they explore the nebulous borderlands between self and society.


4:55 Immunity as “duty to the collective”

8:03 Nonlinear conversations

9:45 Using war as a metaphor

10:55 Moving toward a more holistic vision

15:54 A brief history of vaccines

20:34 Plant grafting

21:33 Paradox of purity

24:58 Fear & the evaluation of risk

27:10 Negative cognitive bias

29:29 Guns as a virus

30:58 Having complex conversations

32:07 Trust & vulnerability

34:15 Scarcity mentality

35:56 Meaning is always contextual

38:03 Diversity & disagreement

40:00 Social construction of reality

41:03 Empedocles on love & strife

43:29 Childhood vaccinations

45:55 Conscientious Objectors

49:12 CIA, vaccines & vaccine hesitancy

50:40 Rebuilding lost trust

54:43 Health care as a social good

58:43 Experiment

Links from the Show

On Immunity, Eula Biss, 2015.

What are People for?, Wendell Berry, 1990.

For Whom the Bell Tolls, John Donne, c. 1600.

What is the Negativity Bias and How can it be Overcome?, Catherine Moore, 2021.

The Social Construction of Reality, Peter L. Burger & Thomas Luckmann, 1967.

Podcast Theme Music

Music from https://filmmusic.io 
"Crowd Hammer" by Kevin MacLeod ( https://incompetech.com )
License: CC BY ( http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ )